Rank and Guilds: A Paradox - Guild Wars Forums

Zinger314 · Oct 13, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16

I've seen many guilds ask for ranked people only. Most ask for r6+, which is a significant investment of time.

However, chances are, most competitive people without a guild seek a guild so that they can play HA. The guild won't accept that person unless they have played HA.

See the problem?

For example, I was once offered a chance to join a Top 200 guild, since I stated in a LF guild post that I could play a Ritual Lord well (since good ones were rare awhile ago). The person guest-invited me to her Guild Hall, I talk with people, I be friendly...

...then I said I had Rank 0. My guest-invite privilages were revoked immediately. That left...a sour taste. (That person is actually a very active poster here at Guru!)

Most importantly, there recent change to HA isn't alleviating this problem. Contrary to the Scribe, many people hate the change to a 6v6 format. Thus, there is a significantly less amount of people willing to do HA. That, in turn, makes it even more difficult to gain fame!

I'm currently Rank 3 now (half from playing Rit Lord, half from playing Crip Shot during Double Fame weekend). I don't think it's possible to get even close to Rank 6.

So, how does your guild handle Rank? Is rank required? Even if your guild is now a GvG guild?

(Or, do you use the Balthazar Faction system?)

Shuuda · Oct 13, 2006, 11:54 AM // 11:54

I do see the problem. My guild don't care about ranks or fame.
Getting rejected makes no sence at all, some people join a HA guild to start playing, not because they have already done.

nightshade_eyes · Oct 13, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05

You could always go the Gladiator route.

Aejorii · Oct 13, 2006, 07:30 PM // 19:30

I'm in a pvp guild, and usually we look for awesome players that can adapt well to changes. Usually we don't base recruitment on rank, rather if you can play well, and have some humor on vent with out interferring with your game play, and then you're in.

Billiard · Oct 13, 2006, 07:41 PM // 19:41

We have no rank requirement to GvG and never will as long as I am running things since I have earned over 1 million faction and still not gotten past rank 1 on my accounts as I rarely HA.

That said we also have a HA training division where anyone is welcome to come and learn the basics, as well as an upper division of HA folks who are all rank 6+

Kusandaa · Oct 13, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

No rank requirement - we're mostly a PvE guild. Rank remains personal and isn't supposed to affect others. We have some ranked people (namely the leader, with her rank 7

) as well as people like me, with 3 fame XD.

-Old 3FL- · Oct 15, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

Tbh i have always despised the fact people think you suck if you dont have rank.
I have never bothered to get rank, if i HA with guildies/mates fine, if i get a rank, thats fine. but i dont rly care for it
i prefer gvg > ha tbh.
and im happy with the 6v6 format in ha

Saphrium · Oct 17, 2006, 05:08 AM // 05:08

I know a lot of ppl better than me, and they are not ranked, and pve players mostly, awesome monks come from pure pve background never stopped to amaze me.

TheBaron82 · Oct 17, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Im not so sure about you, but it seems like more people are doing HA, especially henchway. With that said, you can easily get to rank 6 and up if you play easy builds like AoE smite. As for my guild we're very inactive so I found myself mostly doing dual smite with a guildy and 4 pick up. Farming 3 fame per run is quite easy but more than that you need a guild group and at the rate I'm going I wont see my r9 anytime soon

Timeless Logic · Oct 20, 2006, 07:58 AM // 07:58

We're a brand-new guild at the moment, made up of myself and two friends, but none of us plan to incorporate rank into recruitment. HA isn't even a large part of our game plan. We prefer to focus on TA, and in the future GvG will become a major part of our PvP designs.

I don't feel that rank has any major bearing on GvG, and since we TA to build teamwork and test builds, there isn't any major significance to rank. I do plan to screen members based on PvP experience and commitment (and in doing so discern whether they are mature enough to be a helpful member of our Guild). My friends and I are all rank 0, but that's not to say we lack PvP experience. And because our guild is new, there isn't much to show in the Guild Rank department.

Rank shouldn't play a role in recruitment unless the guild focuses heavily on HA, and fields multiple teams for multiple situations. If a guild is that intense about taking and holding the Halls, then criteria for rank are understandable. Otherwise, fugghedaboutit.

pigdestroyer · Oct 20, 2006, 05:13 PM // 17:13

because if a pvp guild just recruited any random nice guy, they wouldnt know for sure if they are experienced pvpers, I mean trying out every random johnny wamo isnt fun, and its a waste of time.

Thomas.knbk · Oct 20, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigdestroyer

because if a pvp guild just recruited any random nice guy, they wouldnt know for sure if they are experienced pvpers, I mean trying out every random johnny wamo isnt fun, and its a waste of time.

True. We've had that a few times, that's why we decided to have an entry requirement of rank 3/gladiator 1....
We haven't had any johnny wammo's since then.

Oct 20, 2006, 08:01 PM // 20:01

I agree that rank and glad titles CAN mean absolutely nothing. At the same time, I'm leader of a guild and as we reached the top 200 I noticed that my gvg team was made up of people with r6+, Glad 2, or both...

Sir Mad · Oct 20, 2006, 08:32 PM // 20:32

^ Again, fame MAY not mean you're a decent player, but at least it means you know the maps.

Juno Onuj · Oct 20, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

I lucked out when I joined ZERO last Feb. I believe it was. The main idea behind the guild was to take less experienced players and teach them pvp, hence the name of the guild. Our leaders came from a guild you might remember taking Halls quite frequently, Forsaken Sanctuary [FoSa], and one of our officers has been in ZERO while also being in FoSa, iGi, dV/iE, sA, etc. Myself and the first members all joined at rank 0 and now we're all r3-r6 and HA is definitely not our focus, just something we do if we arent able to gvg. (common knowledge that rank does not equal skill)

But I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you look hard enough you'll find a guild that will take you at r0 but you have to understand that some guilds just dont have the time to see if every applicant is a competent player.

leeky baby · Oct 20, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02

all fame means is that you have played alot of HA and most people with higher ranks know how to read the opposing team build easy and what to do to win which people without rank or havnt played ha wil not Know.

The rank system is pretty usless anyway because of iway/vim players who cant play many other builds.....genrally but not always

leeky

Makkert · Oct 25, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17

Recently, SoF Victrix, the pvp sisterguild of SoF, opened its doors for recruitment.
One of the questions we ask is indeed how much fame someone has. However that is only a very raw indication of the experience someone has in HA. I've seen many, many, downright HORRIBLE r6+ players (the other day a r8 player. horrible beyond belief). Experience isn't the same as skill.

If someone shows that he understands the game and has skill, then I really couldn't care less with his rank.

puhhehehee · Oct 26, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39

i guess it's just the matter of luck and timing.
a reason i said "luck" is, you might find a high rank guild that is willing to train r0 - r2 people or no GvG experience people.

guild i am at is mainly a GvG guild. our alliances are one of the top well known GvG guilds to date that a lot of you guys heard. usually these type of guilds don't recuit someone who doesn't have any GvG or HA experience whatsoever.

i happened to apply when they were opened to the public (which i had no clue they were). they accepted me, started teaching me GvG (while guild season ended).

basically, search, tried to be open minded. i am sure you will get yourself a guild that you wanted. good luck

Meow Meow · Nov 12, 2006, 03:14 AM // 03:14

I think it depends who you play with, because I usually play with Leeloof Esp...that is probably how fame was so easy for me to get :|

vancha · Nov 13, 2006, 09:39 AM // 09:39

In my guild, we do regulary HA, if we find good ppl, we ask if they wanna join, regardless of their rank. A rank doesnt determine a players ability to play pvp, i got proven this when i was in a rank6 group where the leader asked: How did you guys get r6? myself I played dualsmite all during the doublefame weekend, and IWAY and VIMWAY after that, was really easy!....
rank ftl..

Oct 13, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16	#1
Zinger314 Debbie Downer Join Date: May 2006 Profession: N/Me	Rank and Guilds: A Paradox I've seen many guilds ask for ranked people only. Most ask for r6+, which is a significant investment of time. However, chances are, most competitive people without a guild seek a guild so that they can play HA. The guild won't accept that person unless they have played HA. See the problem? For example, I was once offered a chance to join a Top 200 guild, since I stated in a LF guild post that I could play a Ritual Lord well (since good ones were rare awhile ago). The person guest-invited me to her Guild Hall, I talk with people, I be friendly... ...then I said I had Rank 0. My guest-invite privilages were revoked immediately. That left...a sour taste. (That person is actually a very active poster here at Guru!) Most importantly, there recent change to HA isn't alleviating this problem. Contrary to the Scribe, many people hate the change to a 6v6 format. Thus, there is a significantly less amount of people willing to do HA. That, in turn, makes it even more difficult to gain fame! I'm currently Rank 3 now (half from playing Rit Lord, half from playing Crip Shot during Double Fame weekend). I don't think it's possible to get even close to Rank 6. So, how does your guild handle Rank? Is rank required? Even if your guild is now a GvG guild? (Or, do you use the Balthazar Faction system?)

Oct 13, 2006, 11:54 AM // 11:54	#2
Shuuda Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2006 Guild: Guildless Profession: Me/	I do see the problem. My guild don't care about ranks or fame. Getting rejected makes no sence at all, some people join a HA guild to start playing, not because they have already done.

Oct 13, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05	#3
nightshade_eyes Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Looking for Guild Profession: Me/	You could always go the Gladiator route.

Oct 13, 2006, 07:30 PM // 19:30	#4
Aejorii Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SF, CA Profession: W/	I'm in a pvp guild, and usually we look for awesome players that can adapt well to changes. Usually we don't base recruitment on rank, rather if you can play well, and have some humor on vent with out interferring with your game play, and then you're in.

Oct 13, 2006, 07:41 PM // 19:41	#5
Billiard Doctor of Philosophy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pacific Northwest Guild: Team Love [kiSu] www.teamlove.us	We have no rank requirement to GvG and never will as long as I am running things since I have earned over 1 million faction and still not gotten past rank 1 on my accounts as I rarely HA. That said we also have a HA training division where anyone is welcome to come and learn the basics, as well as an upper division of HA folks who are all rank 6+

Oct 13, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29	#6
Kusandaa Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: N/Mo	No rank requirement - we're mostly a PvE guild. Rank remains personal and isn't supposed to affect others. We have some ranked people (namely the leader, with her rank 7 ) as well as people like me, with 3 fame XD.

Oct 15, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02	#7
-Old 3FL- Forge Runner Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Western Australia. Guild: Crystal Mountain [CM] Profession: W/	Tbh i have always despised the fact people think you suck if you dont have rank. I have never bothered to get rank, if i HA with guildies/mates fine, if i get a rank, thats fine. but i dont rly care for it i prefer gvg > ha tbh. and im happy with the 6v6 format in ha

Oct 17, 2006, 05:08 AM // 05:08	#8
Saphrium Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Granite Citadel Guild: Post Searing Ascalonian Merchants Profession: N/Me	I know a lot of ppl better than me, and they are not ranked, and pve players mostly, awesome monks come from pure pve background never stopped to amaze me.

Oct 17, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34	#9
TheBaron82 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2006	Im not so sure about you, but it seems like more people are doing HA, especially henchway. With that said, you can easily get to rank 6 and up if you play easy builds like AoE smite. As for my guild we're very inactive so I found myself mostly doing dual smite with a guildy and 4 pick up. Farming 3 fame per run is quite easy but more than that you need a guild group and at the rate I'm going I wont see my r9 anytime soon

Oct 20, 2006, 07:58 AM // 07:58	#10
Timeless Logic Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Behind you. Guild: The Way Of Zerthimon (TWOZ)	We're a brand-new guild at the moment, made up of myself and two friends, but none of us plan to incorporate rank into recruitment. HA isn't even a large part of our game plan. We prefer to focus on TA, and in the future GvG will become a major part of our PvP designs. I don't feel that rank has any major bearing on GvG, and since we TA to build teamwork and test builds, there isn't any major significance to rank. I do plan to screen members based on PvP experience and commitment (and in doing so discern whether they are mature enough to be a helpful member of our Guild). My friends and I are all rank 0, but that's not to say we lack PvP experience. And because our guild is new, there isn't much to show in the Guild Rank department. Rank shouldn't play a role in recruitment unless the guild focuses heavily on HA, and fields multiple teams for multiple situations. If a guild is that intense about taking and holding the Halls, then criteria for rank are understandable. Otherwise, fugghedaboutit.

Oct 20, 2006, 05:13 PM // 17:13	#11
pigdestroyer Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Los Chavos Del [ocho] Profession: W/	because if a pvp guild just recruited any random nice guy, they wouldnt know for sure if they are experienced pvpers, I mean trying out every random johnny wamo isnt fun, and its a waste of time.

Oct 20, 2006, 08:01 PM // 20:01	#13
IceCreaMPiMP Guest	I agree that rank and glad titles CAN mean absolutely nothing. At the same time, I'm leader of a guild and as we reached the top 200 I noticed that my gvg team was made up of people with r6+, Glad 2, or both...

Oct 20, 2006, 08:32 PM // 20:32	#14
Sir Mad Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Moe's Pub Guild: Pigs Can Fly [Pigs] Profession: R/	^ Again, fame MAY not mean you're a decent player, but at least it means you know the maps.

Oct 20, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42	#15
Juno Onuj Wilds Pathfinder --> Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado Guild: I Believe You But My Tommy Gun [Dont] Profession: Mo/	I lucked out when I joined ZERO last Feb. I believe it was. The main idea behind the guild was to take less experienced players and teach them pvp, hence the name of the guild. Our leaders came from a guild you might remember taking Halls quite frequently, Forsaken Sanctuary [FoSa], and one of our officers has been in ZERO while also being in FoSa, iGi, dV/iE, sA, etc. Myself and the first members all joined at rank 0 and now we're all r3-r6 and HA is definitely not our focus, just something we do if we arent able to gvg. (common knowledge that rank does not equal skill) But I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you look hard enough you'll find a guild that will take you at r0 but you have to understand that some guilds just dont have the time to see if every applicant is a competent player.

Oct 20, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02	#16
leeky baby Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Surrey University Guild: Starting to play again... need a guild Profession: W/E	all fame means is that you have played alot of HA and most people with higher ranks know how to read the opposing team build easy and what to do to win which people without rank or havnt played ha wil not Know. The rank system is pretty usless anyway because of iway/vim players who cant play many other builds.....genrally but not always leeky

Oct 25, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17	#17
Makkert Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]	Recently, SoF Victrix, the pvp sisterguild of SoF, opened its doors for recruitment. One of the questions we ask is indeed how much fame someone has. However that is only a very raw indication of the experience someone has in HA. I've seen many, many, downright HORRIBLE r6+ players (the other day a r8 player. horrible beyond belief). Experience isn't the same as skill. If someone shows that he understands the game and has skill, then I really couldn't care less with his rank.

Oct 26, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39	#18
puhhehehee Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2006	i guess it's just the matter of luck and timing. a reason i said "luck" is, you might find a high rank guild that is willing to train r0 - r2 people or no GvG experience people. guild i am at is mainly a GvG guild. our alliances are one of the top well known GvG guilds to date that a lot of you guys heard. usually these type of guilds don't recuit someone who doesn't have any GvG or HA experience whatsoever. i happened to apply when they were opened to the public (which i had no clue they were). they accepted me, started teaching me GvG (while guild season ended). basically, search, tried to be open minded. i am sure you will get yourself a guild that you wanted. good luck

Nov 12, 2006, 03:14 AM // 03:14	#19
Meow Meow Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Ugly Ducklings Profession: Mo/	I think it depends who you play with, because I usually play with Leeloof Esp...that is probably how fame was so easy for me to get :\|

Nov 13, 2006, 09:39 AM // 09:39	#20
vancha Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: W/	In my guild, we do regulary HA, if we find good ppl, we ask if they wanna join, regardless of their rank. A rank doesnt determine a players ability to play pvp, i got proven this when i was in a rank6 group where the leader asked: How did you guys get r6? myself I played dualsmite all during the doublefame weekend, and IWAY and VIMWAY after that, was really easy!.... rank ftl..